tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post116249348900896405..comments2023-10-31T05:37:45.410-07:00Comments on Hungry Hyaena: Lichtenstein the IngrateHungry Hyaenahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06354349850246750046noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-16907398275618253012015-12-16T14:21:13.227-08:002015-12-16T14:21:13.227-08:00Sure Lichtenstein never cited any source, however ...Sure Lichtenstein never cited any source, however he considered the paintings his own interpretations of comic panels. You also need to take into account the size of the paintings. He was taking a minuscule drawing and blowing it up into a huge painting, which created a totally different context. He was not the only one to pull a stunt like this. Other artists have pulled <a href="http://www.orgamesmic.com/unbelievable-swipes-from-famous-artwork/" rel="nofollow">comic swipes</a> as well, including Bob Kane!Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-79396836349845073112008-06-26T19:31:00.000-07:002008-06-26T19:31:00.000-07:00Stolen!What are you talking, how it could be bette...Stolen!<BR/>What are you talking, how it could be better then original?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-2905843652496817632008-06-26T19:29:00.000-07:002008-06-26T19:29:00.000-07:00Stolen.Stolen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1163027779077049732006-11-08T15:16:00.000-08:002006-11-08T15:16:00.000-08:00I just find it dumb that in order to be considered...I just find it dumb that in order to be considered as art, by and large, comics have to be moody, introspective, and quirkily drawn. No superheroes here!<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile I don't find Chris Ware more compelling than Joss Whedon and John Cassaday's work on <I>Astonishing X-Men</I>. Which is not to say I think either of them are ART.<BR/><BR/>Exploring this in my head, as I do, I think I've pinpointed that I'm biased towards the audio-visual and away from reading. I'll class painting, drawing, music, and film as art, but I have trouble including books, comics, and video installations as art. Something, for me, about engaging a rational thought process precludes the profound physical experiences I associate with true art.<BR/><BR/>And videos just suck.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, it seems to me that any time comics and art are mixed, both comics and art suffer.Chris Rywalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15766746064219235983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1162962488379799262006-11-07T21:08:00.000-08:002006-11-07T21:08:00.000-08:00Heaps:Interesting. Maybe the inevitable grease bu...Heaps:<BR/><BR/>Interesting. Maybe the inevitable grease build up makes them better?<BR/><BR/>Chris:<BR/><BR/>Agreed (mostly). Chris Ware and other artists who are embraced by the "fine art" world <I>do</I> make good work. I don't think it's <I>that</I> superior to all the other comics which aren't taken seriously, but the only party that looks silly when excessively praising Ware is the pretentious Art World boob; the work isn't diminished just because the cultural cognoscenti have agreed to play along.Hungry Hyaenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354349850246750046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1162944281508535622006-11-07T16:04:00.000-08:002006-11-07T16:04:00.000-08:00This outing of Lichtenstein amazes me. I totally ...This outing of Lichtenstein amazes me. I totally didn't know this, and I'm a big comics fan. Never once was this mentioned in any comic-related book I've ever read. Okay, I'm not the biggest comic nerd in the world, but still, I'm surprised.<BR/><BR/>I was never very fond of Lichtenstein either -- in fact, I've mentioned more than once that it annoys me when fine artists try their hand at comic characters, because they're usually so lousy at them (Lichtenstein couldn't even draw a decent Mickey Mouse -- and his lettering sucks, too). It also annoys me when comic books are "elevated" to art status (cf. Chris Ware) because it makes everyone look stupid.<BR/><BR/>His interview you quote only makes it worse. Now I want to beat the guy up, too. Sadly, he's dead. God has already kicked his ass.<BR/><BR/>To think that he lived well while Siegel and Shuster died nearly penniless (and in Joe's case, legally blind).Chris Rywalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15766746064219235983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1162864155002149462006-11-06T17:49:00.000-08:002006-11-06T17:49:00.000-08:00I have hung art in a lot of fancy apartments, and ...I have hung art in a lot of fancy apartments, and every time these rich people have a Lichtenstein, they always hang it in the kitchen.<BR/>What's up with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1162848540138449112006-11-06T13:29:00.000-08:002006-11-06T13:29:00.000-08:00Cooky Blaha:No offense taken, Cooky. Art is alway...Cooky Blaha:<BR/><BR/>No offense taken, Cooky. Art is always subjective. In fact, I agree in some cases; the planes and explosions <I>are</I> usually improvements on the original, even though I don't feel Lichtenstein changed much compositionally.<BR/><BR/>I also agree that his sampling was more interesting than Loeb's.Hungry Hyaenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354349850246750046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1162618565506766702006-11-03T21:36:00.000-08:002006-11-03T21:36:00.000-08:00no offence but as an objective observer I thought ...no offence but as an objective observer I thought almost every Lichenstein compared was better than the original. especially in the famous ones like Blam! with the plane exploding, his changes are quite obvious and quite compelling. I dont really care because Im not much of a Lichenstein fan, and yeah in a nicer world he shouldve credited the originals more..I guess. I thought his sampling is better than D loeb's, at least. Toodles xoxoxoxSvenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414815083075269480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1162523204067873562006-11-02T19:06:00.000-08:002006-11-02T19:06:00.000-08:00Recon:Yeah, I know. When I first realized how clo...Recon:<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I know. When I first realized how close his paintings were to the originals, I freaked. That was about 15 years ago, when I still planned on becoming a comic illustrator for a living.<BR/><BR/>Then, when I read interviews with the man, I lost what little respect remained. An example of his laughable arrogance:<BR/><BR/>"What I do is form, whereas the comic strip is not formed in the sense I'm using the word; the comics have shapes but there has been no effort to make them intensely unified...The difference is often not great, but it is crucial." (from a 1963 interview with G.R. Swenson)<BR/><BR/>Um...what, asshole? A quick survey of the comparisons on Barsalou's website show that the original comics are usually stronger, both compositionally and graphically.<BR/><BR/>To be fair, plenty of "fine" artists have adopted - or interpreted, recontextualized, deconstructed, blah blah blah - the work of more talented, sophisticated fringe artists, be they "outsider" artists, folk artists or popular artists and illustrators. Lichtenstein just raises my hackles more than most.Hungry Hyaenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354349850246750046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11167350.post-1162513755112995932006-11-02T16:29:00.000-08:002006-11-02T16:29:00.000-08:00It's shocking to see how much was copied. That's u...It's shocking to see how much was copied. That's unbelievable!Reconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06365576869127220336noreply@blogger.com